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Commodore's Full Dress - 1777 (Following the designs of John Paul Jones)

The cuffs haven't been trimmed yet and there aren't any buttons on the coat, but its still amazing! :D I also have a pair of American Revolution style gold epaulets that need to be put on.

Should be finished by next week. :ahoy:
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Lissbirds Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2011
That's so cool that you had a replica of John Paul Jones's coat made! It's nice to see some interest in recreating his uniform--there's a lot of people interested in the reenacting/recreating Rev War army uniforms, but interest in naval uniforms is harder to come by.

I always loved how was able to perform so many ruse de guerres because of the uniform and British ensigns. He was such an amazing man. I can't say enough good things about him.

I love all the info you have in your comments--is there a particular source/book/etc. you'd recommend for 18th century naval/JPJ info? (I just finished reading the Evan Thomas biography of JPJ but it didn't go into anywhere near as much detail.) I'd like to read more about JPJ and the Age of Sail in general.
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
He is quite an exciting person to read about. I'm rather surprised that the whole Age of Sail frenzy spurred by the Pirates of the Caribbean series hasn't sparked interest in a film about JPJ. Patton was an excellent film, and JPJ being the Revolution's Patton, I see potential in a big summer navy/adventure film about him.

A great biography on JPJ is John Paul Jones: America's First Sea Warrior by Joseph Callo. Other books upon the subject of America's sailing navy are If By Sea by George C. Daughan and Six Frigates by Ian W. Toll. The first covers American Naval history from 1775-1820, giving the reader an excellent look into our Navy's inception, its transformation into the Federal Navy, and its rise to a presence of global note. What I particularly like about it is that the author links the Continental Navy's history to the events occurring ashore, showing how the events at sea influenced Washington's campaigns throughout the colonies-turned-states. The latter of the two books focuses exclusively on the six frigates built under the Naval Act of 1794, their participation in the Quasi War, Barbary Wars, and the War of 1812. This book is particularly colorful in terms of describing the battles, at times nearly becoming a novel.

However, these are only three books that shed light into a focused portion of the Age of Fighting Sail. There are many books upon the subject that I have read and would recommend, so just ask me some more narrow questions so I can point you towards particular books! In addition to these books or a more academic nature, I would highly recommend you dive into one of the nautical series, such as the Richard Bolitho series by Alexander Kent, the Hornblower series by C.S. Forester, and the Aubrey/Maturin series by Patrick O'Brian. A viewing of the film Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World would also compliment your immersion into the subject; it's the most accurate Age of Sail film to date.

Any other questions? Please do fire away! I'd be happy to answer them!
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Lissbirds Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
Well, I just heard of plans to make a movie about JPJ, but it's going to be along the lines of "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" so JPJ is going to be battling sea monsters. Which is an absolute travesty to me. This man does not need a gimmick to be interesting to the general public--his life was exciting enough on its own and he shouldn't be a cariacature. The fact that this movie is being made probably will diminish the chances of a legitimate JPJ biopic being made, which saddens me. (Or maybe I'm wrong and it will generate a new interest in him...and work out for the better, but I doubt it.)

*Thank you* for the recommendation of the Callo biography. I've been trying to decide between reading that one and the Samuel Eliot Morrison biography and now you've made up my mind. (I've heard iffy things about the Morrison bio, i.e. that diminishes his accomplishments, so I was hesitant to read it.) The Evan Thomas bio felt incomplete to me, so I want to read something else.

I had heard of Six Frigates but I hadn't heard of "If By Sea" so thank you! And the fact that it ties in with the land campaigns I find very interesting. Have you read/heard about "George Washington's Great Gamble" by James Nelson? Apparently it's about the French navy's part in the Battle of Yorktown.) The author has also written the "Revolution at Sea" historical fiction series, but I haven't read any of them.

If I come up with any more specific questions, I'll let you know! I'm just starting to branch out into early American naval history after reading solely about the land battles of the Revolutionary War, so this is all a little new to me.

Thanks for recommending some historical fiction authors! I hadn't heard of the Richard Bolitho ones before, so thank you. I've seen the Horatio Hornblower made-for-TV movies but haven't read the books, though I'll get around to those someday. I *loved* the movie Master and Commander and I wish they had made a sequel, but I don't think that's going to happen. (I'm also still waiting for a well-made historically-accurate movie of the Revolutionary War, too...)

Thank you again for all your wonder recommendations! I'm sure I'll stop by in the future to ask you more questions.
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The prospect of Hollywood ruining the exploits and a naturally epic man is deeply saddening. John Paul Jones is, as you can tell, the historical figure I aspire to (well... mostly. I have no desire to be pegged as a rapist and murderer!). There are other figures I like and read about, like Horatio Nelson, Stephen Decatur, Joshua Chamberlain, and Richard Winters... but JPJ is the man I would name first as my favorite historical figure. Wow... I'm hoping this film falls through and doesn't make it to the screen, while brushing the idea off on someone who would want to simply make a historical war drama about him.

The Bolitho series is my personal favorite. It's written to read fast, contains all the lingo, but does it in a way that is easy for a non-Age of Sail nut to understand. Also, the time frame is excellent. Bolitho starts off as a Lieutenant in 1774 (a prequel book about his tenure as a Midshipman was written later), so we get to see the Royal Navy's side of the American Revolution. The books go all the way to the 1800s when Bolitho is an Admiral. Also, the books nicely introduce Bolitho's nephew and hand over to him so we can see the later Napoleonic Wars and the War of 1812. All in all, the series spans nearly fifty years! This is why I like it, because it doesn't focus on one war.

I've heard that Russell Crowe is pushing for another Master and Commander, so I've got my fingers crossed. Rumor has it he wants to do the next one on The Hundred Days, when Napoleon returns from exile and is finally defeated at Waterloo. This would make JA (as Mr. O'Brian would write) a Commodore of a squadron!

There's also a movie about the US Navy and Marines at Tripoli on the drawing board. Keanu Reeves is apparently slated to play William Eaton... we'll see if this one pulls through. The Age of Sail buff community is also reporting on the construction of several 18th/19th c. frigates (such as the Hermoine in France) and even a Dutch third rate! This burst of global replica tall ship construction is adding fuel to the rumors of someone wanting to make a TRAFALGAR movie.
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Lissbirds Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2011
I know...it's really infuriating. I have yet to see a good historical film made of any of the historical figures I look up to. (There is a 1959 movie about JPJ but it doesn't really capture his spirit as much as I would like it to. Also there's some inaccuracies.) I really think the general public would appreciate a straight JPJ biopic. I always knew about him my whole life because he's usually given one sentence in history books, but I never really learned who he was or what he did. The more I learned about him the more fascinated I became and now he's a close second with Hamilton, my life-long historical favorite. (Another self-made immigrant with a Scottish background who came from humble beginnings.) Jones was popular at one time in American history so maybe his time will come again soon. I wish I could do something to promote him a little in the eyes of the public (and history in general.) I think we need heroes in today's world. (Though I do hope that the accusations of rape were fabricated by his rivals in Russia...at least, this is the thesis Evan Thomas provides.)

Also, may I ask who painted your profile pic? That's one portrait of JPJ I don't recognize. :)

I picked up the Callo biography at the library today--thanks again for recommending it! It's next on my to-read list. I noticed in the back of the book are several reports from Jones and others, and I'm really glad to see primary sources. I've always been a fan of letting subjects speak for themselves.

A fast read is always good! I don't like books (well, fiction, at least) that get too bogged down in details. So I think I may like the Bolitho series. I should read more about War of 1812, since that's a war outside my favorite time period.

Another M&C movie? Oh, that would be wonderful! It would be nice to see Aubrey as a Commodore, but I would want a couple of movies in between to show how he got there. I'm glad Russell Crowe is on board with the idea...it's just too bad it's so expensive and laborious to make movies like this.

The Age of Sail community has some good detectives...though I guess it's hard to hide a ship. (Or serveral.) The bicentennial of the War of 1812 is coming up so maybe that's another reason why so many replicas are being built?

Also, do you know if anyone ever made a replica of the Bonhomme Richard or the Ranger? I've looked but haven't been able to find any. I would really love to see a full-sized replica of the Bonhomme Richard.

Thanks again!
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh yes, the 1951 film. I actually haven't seen it, but I've read it was pretty much a pro-America/anti-USSR propaganda film, so like you said, a lot of it is Hollywood and fictionalized.

In regards to JPJ's rape allegations, I think they were indeed fabricated to drag his reputation through the mud. There are accounts of one love interest he had while hiding from the British in Holland, a young woman who was rumored to be under twenty. This story could have fueled his later rape accusations.

When it comes to M&C, the first film was more or less a mashup of the first half of the series. So when it comes to another possible movie, I think they would have to mashup the second half of the series, which might have Aubrey start as a Captain and see his appointment to Commodore.

Unfortunately, there are no replicas of either Ranger or Bonhomme Richard. However, there is a replica of a Swedish merchantman named Götheborg. Her being an East Indiaman from the 1740s makes her design very similar to Duc de Duras, which, as you probably know, became Bonhomme Richard. If I were to make a film about JPJ, I would seek to cast Götheborg as Bonhomme Richard, as all she'd need is a new paint job and a different flag. HMS Surprise could actually stand in as a slightly oversized Ranger, as she is a smaller frigate and Ranger was a larger sloop-of-war.
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bluebauble Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2011
Wait..do you make these?? This looks incredible! :faint:
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I didn't make it, I had it made. :)
Visit [link]
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Parbuckles Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010  Student Digital Artist
ohhhhh nice one.^^
Im looking for one too and found a book called
Dressed to kill-british Naval uniforms masculinity and contemporary fashions 1748-1857
from Amy miller.

there are also many very informative discribtions of uniforms of similar ranks from midshipman to Admiral.^^ hope to get enough info to make a uniform for myself.^^
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The uniforms of this period are quite a work of art! :)
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Parbuckles Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010  Student Digital Artist
yea true and make men who wore them delicious.^^

the problem is, when I want one for myself, I must find a good sewer because.

a) I can't sew cause Im a hyper fail at this point

b) Im a woman and therefore sm very lean and not tall.(5'5") so there are not many uniforms that fit me.^^
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I can't really agree with that statement, what being a man.

Your second point is ironic, because I am 5'8" and 120lbs - the average height and weight of men back then. Unfortunately, reenactment sutlers these days cater to the 50-year-old 400lbs men with beards... which doesn't realistically represent the period at all!
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Parbuckles Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010  Student Digital Artist
yea ok the first thing was nonsense

but the second part sounds true. That means, that I could pass as a guy in such an outfit.^^

I cant imagine a man that size and shape in such an uniform at all. I mean hey you should be a image of a proper gntleman by this time and not like a sibirian fox hunter with a beard like ivan the terrible.^^
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Exactly. Imagine the common soldier or sailor... they were used to marching 20 miles a day or laboring at the rigging/climbing aloft. People back then were fit... well... in the military at least. The more portly types would have been generals/admirals/upper class gentry/royalty.
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Parbuckles Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010  Student Digital Artist
yea true.^^
Yea they should be fit cause otherwise they cant do ther work for what they are there so if they aren't fit they are a bit useless in my oppinion.

with portly, you mean masculine men or such ones who looks like,that they had a bit too much of their wifes pies.^^
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I mean they've had a good deal of port (a wine) and are consequently... "well rounded"...
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AnotherLife Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2010
i like it!
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sketcherjak Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2009
That is amazing! Wherever did you find a pattern? (Dont tell me you made it from scratch... that'll really kill my ego.)
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
There's no pattern, merely descriptions of this coat. :) Too bad Congress wouldn't let JPJ wear this one... its pretty darn flashy!
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sketcherjak Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2009
you talented bastard. I dunno what a JPJ is, but, why would Congress care about a costume? Whatever. It's freakin' awesome anyway. Do I take it that you be in the navy?
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
JPJ = John Paul Jones. :D
In 1777, JPJ went before Continental Congress with patterns for uniforms ranging from able seaman to commodore of the fleet. He believed in asymetrical warfare, which is to look uncannily similar to the enemy as to show them that the battle is evenly matched... so he wanted to change the uniforms from blue with red facings, no trim or epaulets to blue with white facings, plenty of gold trim and epaulets so that they would look similar to the British. (He was so devoted to his idea of asymetrical warfare that he painted his ships according to Royal Navy standards.)
Congress turned the idea down, not wanting to make an individual look too powerful and not wanting to look like their foes in any way, however, JPJ was a man who often found loopholes and managed to exempt himself... fitting himself, his officers, and crew with his proposed uniforms. While at a ball for diplomatic reasons in France, John Adams scoffed and wrote in his journal that "Jones was parading about in a frock of blue and white, his marine attendant clad in a red garb that, due to its closeness to a Royal Marine uniform, was to be regarded with distaste." (That wasn't the exact wording, but close to it.)

I'm not in the Navy...
... yet... ;)
I'm finishing up my senior year of high school, then I'm off the the Virginia Military Institute for college, then I will commission into the US Navy! :D
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sketcherjak Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009
ok then. now I know. This guy sounds pretty interesting.

Have fun with all that military stuff. Hope you don't get burned out. SOunds like you have a good head on your shoulders. I wonder if the military can handle that. XD
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks!
I've always wanted to serve my country... I know it'll turn into a life-long career... :)
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sketcherjak Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009
I'm sure you'll do grand. Major in history, all the cool kids are doing it. XD
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh, that's all said and done. When I toured the campus two weeks ago I spoke with the head of the history department. Going to a military college certainly has its perks... I can specialize in certain kinds of history... say European Military History or US Naval History to name a couple! :D
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3piratesinthehood Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oooh!
Did you ever finish this?

I would like to see.
Especially on a model.
:D
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Aye, tis finished! I'll see about those photos! :)
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3piratesinthehood Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you.
:)
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TheDauphine Featured By Owner May 13, 2008
Lovely job on this, a very handsome uniform. :love:
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner May 14, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Heh heh heh... thanks. :ahoy:
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TheDauphine Featured By Owner May 14, 2008
You're welcome :salute:
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ProfRasah Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2008
Awesome Revolutionary Cosplay.
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thankee!
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rum-inspector Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That is a wonderful coat, trimmings and all!
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh... I've got to get some new pics of this... its amazing! :ahoy:
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rum-inspector Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
With that sword and all :D
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Aye. But the sword is getting on my nerves... i ordered it last AUGUST and its FEBRUARY... So I've waited over half a year and it hasn't arrived. I don't know if its one of those "We need 50 orders to save some money in mass production" but its taking too long. =P
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rum-inspector Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's bad. You could have had the time to set up your own forge and make dozens of swords! Time for some customer feedback... ?
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes... I'm sending my third E-Mail... first two were "Oh, we're so sorry. Its out of stock until late November. We'll have it to you by mid to late December."
Well, mid to late December came and went, now the first month of the new year has passed and still nothing. :P
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Quinster Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2008
I'd wear that.
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Heh heh heh... it is pretty flashy... :)
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ColonelLiamRoss Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2007  Professional Artisan Crafter
So Jones, do we get to see this modelled? :D I can't believe I didn't comment earlier. It's looking pretty darn sexy! I'm not sure why laced facings are so attractive...
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2007  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes... but my new sword isn't in yet... and I need to find a weekend where I can go downtown to the historic area and get my pics taken.
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ColonelLiamRoss Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2007  Professional Artisan Crafter
Well, do it, man, do it! Where did you order your sword from?
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2007  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Aurora History Botique: [link]

Yes, that's the beauty I ordered. Simple, yet elegant... classic example of a patriots blade... long, straight traditional blade, yet short enough for boarding action.
I've already got an awesome swordknot for her... =)
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ColonelLiamRoss Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2007  Professional Artisan Crafter
Oooo... nifty! Where did you get your swordknot from?
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2007  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It was my great great grandfather's. :D He was a Lieutenant Commander in the USN.
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GeneralOctavious Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2007  Student Digital Artist
AWESOME! I'm not the only one who dressed up as Norrington this halloween!
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CdreJohnPaulJones Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2007  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ha ha ha! Indeed!
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BlueDeathRose Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2007
yay..finally arrived...sigh..lo it looks awesome..^.^ you should go trick or treaitng this halloween...imagine all the candy u'll get!!!! ^_^
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